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		<title>By: Send In The Lawyers &#171; The Watershed Chronicle</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/09/09/journalism-needs-a-down-and-dirty-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-6652</link>
		<dc:creator>Send In The Lawyers &#171; The Watershed Chronicle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There&#8217;s another link to an article there today that I liked as well.  Pat Thornton writes about the need for publishing companies to get &#8220;down and dirty.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There&#8217;s another link to an article there today that I liked as well.  Pat Thornton writes about the need for publishing companies to get &#8220;down and dirty.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: This week in media musings: Advocacy journalism&#8217;s (bogus) failings and more paywall options &#124; Mark Coddington</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/09/09/journalism-needs-a-down-and-dirty-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-6645</link>
		<dc:creator>This week in media musings: Advocacy journalism&#8217;s (bogus) failings and more paywall options &#124; Mark Coddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pat Thornton, formerly of BeatBlogging.Org, uses his experience there to illustrate what a &#8220;down and dirty&#8221; system of management looks like.  And citizen journalism pioneer Dan Gillmor has 11 things he&#8217;d do [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pat Thornton, formerly of BeatBlogging.Org, uses his experience there to illustrate what a &#8220;down and dirty&#8221; system of management looks like.  And citizen journalism pioneer Dan Gillmor has 11 things he&#8217;d do [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Matteo</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/09/09/journalism-needs-a-down-and-dirty-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-6639</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Matteo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be careful, mate.  Lots of your rules, taken out of context, will be far more fatal than not following them in the first place.

I can&#039;t tell you the times I&#039;ve been told to make it &quot;good enough&quot;.  The problem is, if the person who is defining what &quot;good enough&quot; is does not have that focus on the ROI, the focus on the long term or an idea of what the audience expects then &quot;good enough&quot; won&#039;t be.

And then you&#039;re left in the dirt, fighting for funding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful, mate.  Lots of your rules, taken out of context, will be far more fatal than not following them in the first place.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell you the times I&#8217;ve been told to make it &#8220;good enough&#8221;.  The problem is, if the person who is defining what &#8220;good enough&#8221; is does not have that focus on the ROI, the focus on the long term or an idea of what the audience expects then &#8220;good enough&#8221; won&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>And then you&#8217;re left in the dirt, fighting for funding.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-09-10 &#171; Glenna DeRoy</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/09/09/journalism-needs-a-down-and-dirty-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-6638</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-09-10 &#171; Glenna DeRoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] » Journalism needs a down and dirty revolution &#124; The Journalism Iconoclast (tags: workflow onlinejournalism agreed) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] » Journalism needs a down and dirty revolution | The Journalism Iconoclast (tags: workflow onlinejournalism agreed) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Thornton: Journalism needs to get down and dirty &#124; Hypercrit</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/09/09/journalism-needs-a-down-and-dirty-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-6637</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Thornton: Journalism needs to get down and dirty &#124; Hypercrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] must read post at Journalism Iconoclast. Patrick Thornton writes that jour­nal­ism is in dire need of a “down [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] must read post at Journalism Iconoclast. Patrick Thornton writes that jour­nal­ism is in dire need of a “down [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Becker</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/09/09/journalism-needs-a-down-and-dirty-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-6636</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it can be put much more directly or usefully. I&#039;m heading into a new job as a Web editor with more or less complete control over the online news that leaves that place. I&#039;m going to bookmark this post and put it above my new desk and send it to the other editors. Everybody should read this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it can be put much more directly or usefully. I&#8217;m heading into a new job as a Web editor with more or less complete control over the online news that leaves that place. I&#8217;m going to bookmark this post and put it above my new desk and send it to the other editors. Everybody should read this.</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Teacher - Thursday squibs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from a Teacher - Thursday squibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journalism needs a down and dirty revolution. A long, worthwhile post from Pat Thornton that tackles the need to make the best use of scarce resources in creating journalism that matters. I highly recommend reading and pondering this piece. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Journalism needs a down and dirty revolution. A long, worthwhile post from Pat Thornton that tackles the need to make the best use of scarce resources in creating journalism that matters. I highly recommend reading and pondering this piece. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good template for just about any business. Nice one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good template for just about any business. Nice one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Sablan</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/09/09/journalism-needs-a-down-and-dirty-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-6632</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Sablan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. This totally reminds me of Chirs Brogan&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chrisbrogan.com/the-beauty-of-pirate-ships/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pirate ship&lt;/a&gt; mentality. &quot;They took whatever floated and could carry cannons and men, and they lobbed themselves at targets.&quot;

The question brought up probably applies to most news organizations: &quot;Can an enterprise do that? Can they lob themselves at targets without worrying about their infrastructure? &quot;

More reporters are reading blogs like this one everyday, but I get the feeling that not too most executives (decision makers) will ever see this comment.

I wonder if, and hope that, the rank-and-file editorial crew can work as tugboats to collectively nudge the big enterprise ships so that they can can see how important it is to be part of this down and dirty revolution that &quot;journalism&quot; will carry out with or without them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. This totally reminds me of Chirs Brogan&#8217;s <a href="http://www.chrisbrogan.com/the-beauty-of-pirate-ships/" rel="nofollow">pirate ship</a> mentality. &#8220;They took whatever floated and could carry cannons and men, and they lobbed themselves at targets.&#8221;</p>
<p>The question brought up probably applies to most news organizations: &#8220;Can an enterprise do that? Can they lob themselves at targets without worrying about their infrastructure? &#8221;</p>
<p>More reporters are reading blogs like this one everyday, but I get the feeling that not too most executives (decision makers) will ever see this comment.</p>
<p>I wonder if, and hope that, the rank-and-file editorial crew can work as tugboats to collectively nudge the big enterprise ships so that they can can see how important it is to be part of this down and dirty revolution that &#8220;journalism&#8221; will carry out with or without them.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAMN RIGHT. If someone was building a newsroom from scratch today - whether print, broadcast, online (or any combination) - this would be an excellent template for creating it. Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAMN RIGHT. If someone was building a newsroom from scratch today &#8211; whether print, broadcast, online (or any combination) &#8211; this would be an excellent template for creating it. Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: John Tedesco</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/09/09/journalism-needs-a-down-and-dirty-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-6628</link>
		<dc:creator>John Tedesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easily the best thing I read all day.</description>
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		<title>By: Duncan Kinney</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/09/09/journalism-needs-a-down-and-dirty-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-6627</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Kinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog post. Thank you for writing it. If you liked this I&#039;d recommend reading Getting Real - A book by 37signals - http://gettingreal.37signals.com/ - 

While it&#039;s about agile web development you can apply it to anything you want. Journalism would benefit greatly from getting real and getting down and dirty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog post. Thank you for writing it. If you liked this I&#8217;d recommend reading Getting Real &#8211; A book by 37signals &#8211; <a href="http://gettingreal.37signals.com/" rel="nofollow">http://gettingreal.37signals.com/</a> &#8211; </p>
<p>While it&#8217;s about agile web development you can apply it to anything you want. Journalism would benefit greatly from getting real and getting down and dirty.</p>
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