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		<title>By: A pact to rebuild journalism &#171; Between a pica and a meta tag</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/04/06/its-time-to-reinvent-the-newspaper-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-6409</link>
		<dc:creator>A pact to rebuild journalism &#171; Between a pica and a meta tag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] advertising rates didn’t bring the newspaper industry down. Complacency did.&#8221; So begins a June 4 post from The Journalism Iconclast by Patrick Thornton. It&#8217;s possibly the most important [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,
Well argued, but I have to disagree. Success and humanity are quickly becoming not zero sum games. A better model to describe what&#039;s going on is an environmental sustainable strategy game. The game model is used by Dawkins in the Selfish Gene to give a game theory slant to evolution. It&#039;s worth the read.

The irony is that the single irreplaceable and scarce resource is the investment in human capital that lives in most newspapers. Technology are only tools for innovation and change. It&#039;s only using experienced real people that create new value by using the best tools.

Given the bubble wrapped thinking of most people at the top of most pyramids, they can&#039;t see this. You have politicians who think you build a nation with airplanes and &quot;busyness&#039; people who think you build a newspaper with websites. Both mind sets are quickly moving to the dustbin of history, as we used to say way back in the day.

If they would concentrate alot more on business models that work by supporting the best parts of their human capital, they would get this all fixed a lot sooner with alot less collateral damage.

Given the new approaches to employment with freelance, affiliated independents, journalists who make their big hit with the book and the book tour, I&#039;m pretty sure that different approaches could be invented in different specific situations.

As an aside, if the Obama Administration can get health care fixed so the fear of getting sick or of a family member getting sick is taken off the table and off the books of the newspaper companies, new solutions will have a lot more space to grow and scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
Well argued, but I have to disagree. Success and humanity are quickly becoming not zero sum games. A better model to describe what&#8217;s going on is an environmental sustainable strategy game. The game model is used by Dawkins in the Selfish Gene to give a game theory slant to evolution. It&#8217;s worth the read.</p>
<p>The irony is that the single irreplaceable and scarce resource is the investment in human capital that lives in most newspapers. Technology are only tools for innovation and change. It&#8217;s only using experienced real people that create new value by using the best tools.</p>
<p>Given the bubble wrapped thinking of most people at the top of most pyramids, they can&#8217;t see this. You have politicians who think you build a nation with airplanes and &#8220;busyness&#8217; people who think you build a newspaper with websites. Both mind sets are quickly moving to the dustbin of history, as we used to say way back in the day.</p>
<p>If they would concentrate alot more on business models that work by supporting the best parts of their human capital, they would get this all fixed a lot sooner with alot less collateral damage.</p>
<p>Given the new approaches to employment with freelance, affiliated independents, journalists who make their big hit with the book and the book tour, I&#8217;m pretty sure that different approaches could be invented in different specific situations.</p>
<p>As an aside, if the Obama Administration can get health care fixed so the fear of getting sick or of a family member getting sick is taken off the table and off the books of the newspaper companies, new solutions will have a lot more space to grow and scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/04/06/its-time-to-reinvent-the-newspaper-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-6235</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am willing to argue that complacency did not necessarily kill off -- or will kill off -- the newspaper industry.

What if the question was reframed: You know what killed off the newspaper industry?

What if the answer was: Payroll?

The Internet doesn&#039;t just deliver content faster and at low or no cost -- it can do it without baggage.

Media companies cannot. They have assets that can&#039;t be valued down. You can&#039;t give everyone Internet prices and still expect to pay your own costs, including and especially payroll.

An amateur -- in the original root of the word, pursuing something for the passion of the craft rather than professional gain -- video blogger could shoot news with equipment and software for a couple thousand dollars. How it&#039;s all paid for is the amateur&#039;s problem.

On the other hand, the VHF station has much more expensive equipment as well as the payroll liabilities of the people operating the equipment. They also have fixed assets like a newsvan and an office building.

If the audience is perfectly happy with the amateur&#039;s efforts, why should the VHF station invest so much in fixed assets when the amateur can get an audience without worrying about the capital sinks?

The capital-intensive station has another problem: Slavery has been abolished. Fixed assets can be brokered and exchanged, humans cannot. The biggest change the economic conversion from chattel slavery to industrial capitalism created was move the humans from the assets ledger to the liabilities.

The bad news for anyone pulling a paycheck is that if the company values a human as a liability, it can be deemed useless and thrown in the trash just like a piece of broken or obsolete equipment.

At least the equipment doesn&#039;t have the burden of sentience.

If you think what I have written was dark, nasty or downright vile, keep in mind that this is just free information so that journalists should &quot;know their enemy&quot; -- in this case the business folks who hold economic fates in their hands.

I am one of the journalists, and I am not an advocate for the finance side. I want to make sure my professionals are ready in mind and spirit for the battle ahead.

Sadly, affairs involving money are the true Dark Arts of human civilization. The business world, much like the military, nurtures sociopathic tendencies. People with sociopathic tendencies tend to gravitate toward the fields that nurture their habits. Finally, success and humanity are zero-sum games. Success by necessity comes at the expense of humanity. And humanity is the avenger of success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am willing to argue that complacency did not necessarily kill off &#8212; or will kill off &#8212; the newspaper industry.</p>
<p>What if the question was reframed: You know what killed off the newspaper industry?</p>
<p>What if the answer was: Payroll?</p>
<p>The Internet doesn&#8217;t just deliver content faster and at low or no cost &#8212; it can do it without baggage.</p>
<p>Media companies cannot. They have assets that can&#8217;t be valued down. You can&#8217;t give everyone Internet prices and still expect to pay your own costs, including and especially payroll.</p>
<p>An amateur &#8212; in the original root of the word, pursuing something for the passion of the craft rather than professional gain &#8212; video blogger could shoot news with equipment and software for a couple thousand dollars. How it&#8217;s all paid for is the amateur&#8217;s problem.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the VHF station has much more expensive equipment as well as the payroll liabilities of the people operating the equipment. They also have fixed assets like a newsvan and an office building.</p>
<p>If the audience is perfectly happy with the amateur&#8217;s efforts, why should the VHF station invest so much in fixed assets when the amateur can get an audience without worrying about the capital sinks?</p>
<p>The capital-intensive station has another problem: Slavery has been abolished. Fixed assets can be brokered and exchanged, humans cannot. The biggest change the economic conversion from chattel slavery to industrial capitalism created was move the humans from the assets ledger to the liabilities.</p>
<p>The bad news for anyone pulling a paycheck is that if the company values a human as a liability, it can be deemed useless and thrown in the trash just like a piece of broken or obsolete equipment.</p>
<p>At least the equipment doesn&#8217;t have the burden of sentience.</p>
<p>If you think what I have written was dark, nasty or downright vile, keep in mind that this is just free information so that journalists should &#8220;know their enemy&#8221; &#8212; in this case the business folks who hold economic fates in their hands.</p>
<p>I am one of the journalists, and I am not an advocate for the finance side. I want to make sure my professionals are ready in mind and spirit for the battle ahead.</p>
<p>Sadly, affairs involving money are the true Dark Arts of human civilization. The business world, much like the military, nurtures sociopathic tendencies. People with sociopathic tendencies tend to gravitate toward the fields that nurture their habits. Finally, success and humanity are zero-sum games. Success by necessity comes at the expense of humanity. And humanity is the avenger of success.</p>
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		<title>By: The Falling Newspaper Industry: Craigslist to the Rescue? &#124; Classifieds News</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Falling Newspaper Industry: Craigslist to the Rescue? &#124; Classifieds News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sources: 1) www.jossip.com/dear-craigslist-save-the-newspaper-industry&#8230; 2) patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/04/06/its-time-to-reinvent-the-newspaper-industry [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this and your other posts.  I hope you dont mind but I cited some of your points in order to develop the argument a bit further on my own blog, where I am proposing a new kind of online journalism.  That article -- very long, I warn you all -- can be found at this URL:
http://sparkofaccident.blogspot.com/2009/04/room-to-move-space-digital-technology.html

I am really glad I came upon this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this and your other posts.  I hope you dont mind but I cited some of your points in order to develop the argument a bit further on my own blog, where I am proposing a new kind of online journalism.  That article &#8212; very long, I warn you all &#8212; can be found at this URL:<br />
<a href="http://sparkofaccident.blogspot.com/2009/04/room-to-move-space-digital-technology.html" rel="nofollow">http://sparkofaccident.blogspot.com/2009/04/room-to-move-space-digital-technology.html</a></p>
<p>I am really glad I came upon this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalists using new media &#124; Save the Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalists using new media &#124; Save the Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] s killing newspapers? Patrick Thornton at The Journalism Iconoclast makes a compelling argument that complacency is. He argues that instead of being leaders with that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] s killing newspapers? Patrick Thornton at The Journalism Iconoclast makes a compelling argument that complacency is. He argues that instead of being leaders with that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: trevorjeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>trevorjeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that that Journalism is killer content in search of killer apps! Google News and basic internet portals are not enough.  Could beatblogging be a killer app?  Who knows. Your industry is reworking everything.  Bob Lefsetz via twitter turned me on to this commentary  - @Lefsetz-http://bit.ly/PnXc - that tells a good story about why disruptive technology doesn&#039;t have to replace all or any aspects of the things they displace.  It is not one thing, like a better craigslist/classified adverts to support coverage of the local news or foreign affairs.  It may be a thousand little things, from which a handful of journalism distributors grow.  

What is happening requires rethinking the content and the distribution.  Let a million flowers bloom in these experiments. It isn&#039;t one thing, it is a million things.  Try them all and even the best ideas that fail might be the fertilizer for the future of our watchdogs.   I think journalism is vital to our functioning democracy.  But now is not the time to adapt old models. What works for the WSJ might not work for the NYT or Dallas Morning News or the Miami Herald or the local stringer in rural iowa or central China.  You kids should be taking the chances to build the future your elders were almost powerless to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that that Journalism is killer content in search of killer apps! Google News and basic internet portals are not enough.  Could beatblogging be a killer app?  Who knows. Your industry is reworking everything.  Bob Lefsetz via twitter turned me on to this commentary  &#8211; @Lefsetz-http://bit.ly/PnXc &#8211; that tells a good story about why disruptive technology doesn&#8217;t have to replace all or any aspects of the things they displace.  It is not one thing, like a better craigslist/classified adverts to support coverage of the local news or foreign affairs.  It may be a thousand little things, from which a handful of journalism distributors grow.  </p>
<p>What is happening requires rethinking the content and the distribution.  Let a million flowers bloom in these experiments. It isn&#8217;t one thing, it is a million things.  Try them all and even the best ideas that fail might be the fertilizer for the future of our watchdogs.   I think journalism is vital to our functioning democracy.  But now is not the time to adapt old models. What works for the WSJ might not work for the NYT or Dallas Morning News or the Miami Herald or the local stringer in rural iowa or central China.  You kids should be taking the chances to build the future your elders were almost powerless to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2009/04/06/its-time-to-reinvent-the-newspaper-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-6141</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I think &quot;how will journalism work discussion&quot; is coming to a close. Martin Langeveld put the pieces together to make it really clear.
http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/managing-the-content-cascade/comment-page-1/#comment-11850

The next piece is to refocus on news-on-paper to sell ads to make enough money to support the international news which has never been a very strong suit in American journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I think &#8220;how will journalism work discussion&#8221; is coming to a close. Martin Langeveld put the pieces together to make it really clear.<br />
<a href="http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/managing-the-content-cascade/comment-page-1/#comment-11850" rel="nofollow">http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/04/managing-the-content-cascade/comment-page-1/#comment-11850</a></p>
<p>The next piece is to refocus on news-on-paper to sell ads to make enough money to support the international news which has never been a very strong suit in American journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: marc hofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc hofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I think generally spoken, that the the mixture of the failures of the publishers AND the development of the internet is the newspapers demise.

The point is, that creating news, costs money. Local news costs much less money than reporting international news. I work as a freelance journalist and covered conflicts in africa. The amount of money that is needed to do minimal coverage could never ever be retrieved by web-ads or internet business models as they exist today.

Just thing about it, if you would charge people to read most of the articles at the NYT Website, hits would drop significantly. Just think about all the people around the world who visit this webpage and don&#039;t have a possbility to do online payment. The whole idea of the internet as a business model is a very western oriented idea. Sure the internet is accessible throughout the world, but the second step, &quot;uploading&quot; money and therefore create revenue for the recipient is much harder to do.

I really would like the idea of extending everything to the net AND print and therefore make more money to pay for more and better stories. But up to now, the internet fails to deliver. May it be because people just don&#039;t know how to handle it, may it be thats the way the internet works. Maybe newspapers and other news media should make a decision first, what they want to be in the future. It seems that the whole business is a little bit shellshocked because they just can&#039;t make up their mind in which direction they want to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think generally spoken, that the the mixture of the failures of the publishers AND the development of the internet is the newspapers demise.</p>
<p>The point is, that creating news, costs money. Local news costs much less money than reporting international news. I work as a freelance journalist and covered conflicts in africa. The amount of money that is needed to do minimal coverage could never ever be retrieved by web-ads or internet business models as they exist today.</p>
<p>Just thing about it, if you would charge people to read most of the articles at the NYT Website, hits would drop significantly. Just think about all the people around the world who visit this webpage and don&#8217;t have a possbility to do online payment. The whole idea of the internet as a business model is a very western oriented idea. Sure the internet is accessible throughout the world, but the second step, &#8220;uploading&#8221; money and therefore create revenue for the recipient is much harder to do.</p>
<p>I really would like the idea of extending everything to the net AND print and therefore make more money to pay for more and better stories. But up to now, the internet fails to deliver. May it be because people just don&#8217;t know how to handle it, may it be thats the way the internet works. Maybe newspapers and other news media should make a decision first, what they want to be in the future. It seems that the whole business is a little bit shellshocked because they just can&#8217;t make up their mind in which direction they want to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JQuimbly,
I have to disagree. Print ads are expensive because the real estate is limited. Web ads are cheap because the real estate is unlimited.  As for content, once the web made it easy to compare and contrast, it became clear that most &quot;news&quot; were rewrites of AP stories.

Web sites and most newspapers don&#039;t have &quot;readers&quot;. They have scanners. If they find something interesting they might read the subhead maybe the lede, buy very few take the jump. I turns out that it&#039;s much easier to scan a big print page, than it is to search a website.

The cost of engagement is much lower.

Re the internet and decline of news-on-paper. Newspaper circulation has been going down since the 70&#039;s. I think it has a lot more to do with the two earner family and TV than the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JQuimbly,<br />
I have to disagree. Print ads are expensive because the real estate is limited. Web ads are cheap because the real estate is unlimited.  As for content, once the web made it easy to compare and contrast, it became clear that most &#8220;news&#8221; were rewrites of AP stories.</p>
<p>Web sites and most newspapers don&#8217;t have &#8220;readers&#8221;. They have scanners. If they find something interesting they might read the subhead maybe the lede, buy very few take the jump. I turns out that it&#8217;s much easier to scan a big print page, than it is to search a website.</p>
<p>The cost of engagement is much lower.</p>
<p>Re the internet and decline of news-on-paper. Newspaper circulation has been going down since the 70&#8242;s. I think it has a lot more to do with the two earner family and TV than the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: JQuimbly</title>
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		<dc:creator>JQuimbly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story about newspapers is about free digital copies, and the disparity in ad rates btw print and web.  The economics of web and print are completely askew.

This has nothing to do with innovation, or &quot;getting it.&quot; - especially when it comes to quality of journalism.  Here&#039;s what really happened-

Where once you, the reader of their content, had to pony up between a quarter and a buck to read their content, you&#039;re now doing it online, for free.  No, they don&#039;t make much money from the paper sales, the point is that we readers are satisfying the urge for instant info gratification online now.  That has reduced newspaper sales dramatically.

Numbers, take NYT for example.  Their physical paper has btw 800-900k subscribers, not including newsstand sales.  The website has far higher numbers, tens of millions of monthly uniques.  Yet at the same time, NYT&#039;s grosses from web advertising are far lower than those of the printed paper.  It&#039;s a few hundred million vs a couple billion.

Run those numbers again: the paper has under one million subscribers, and grosses a couple billion.  The website has tens of millions of readers, and grosses a few hundred mil.  And NYTimes.com is known to get *very high* CPM, relative to most other sites on the web.

That&#039;s partly because, when you buy or subscribe to the paper, the publisher gets to sell the print equivalent of a bundle of web ad impressions to advertisers.  Big bucks compared with web rates. That has been good business for them, until the last decade, when the web started becoming the replacement news source for readers.

Also, your idea that Twitter users will somehow replace trained journalists sharing the resources a newsroom has to offer is, well, ignoring the past.  Yes, there will be more instances where news snippets arrive via twitter, just as they&#039;ve also arrived by email, SMS, telephone, fax, horse courier and telegraph before.

It&#039;s not the medium, it&#039;s the content.  To have publish-worthy content, you&#039;ve got to have journalism skills.

Look at Indymedia/IMC for an earlier example of we-the-journalists at work.  It suffered badly from credibility issues.  Individual bloggers will have the same problems, unless they already have a reputation for their work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story about newspapers is about free digital copies, and the disparity in ad rates btw print and web.  The economics of web and print are completely askew.</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with innovation, or &#8220;getting it.&#8221; &#8211; especially when it comes to quality of journalism.  Here&#8217;s what really happened-</p>
<p>Where once you, the reader of their content, had to pony up between a quarter and a buck to read their content, you&#8217;re now doing it online, for free.  No, they don&#8217;t make much money from the paper sales, the point is that we readers are satisfying the urge for instant info gratification online now.  That has reduced newspaper sales dramatically.</p>
<p>Numbers, take NYT for example.  Their physical paper has btw 800-900k subscribers, not including newsstand sales.  The website has far higher numbers, tens of millions of monthly uniques.  Yet at the same time, NYT&#8217;s grosses from web advertising are far lower than those of the printed paper.  It&#8217;s a few hundred million vs a couple billion.</p>
<p>Run those numbers again: the paper has under one million subscribers, and grosses a couple billion.  The website has tens of millions of readers, and grosses a few hundred mil.  And NYTimes.com is known to get *very high* CPM, relative to most other sites on the web.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s partly because, when you buy or subscribe to the paper, the publisher gets to sell the print equivalent of a bundle of web ad impressions to advertisers.  Big bucks compared with web rates. That has been good business for them, until the last decade, when the web started becoming the replacement news source for readers.</p>
<p>Also, your idea that Twitter users will somehow replace trained journalists sharing the resources a newsroom has to offer is, well, ignoring the past.  Yes, there will be more instances where news snippets arrive via twitter, just as they&#8217;ve also arrived by email, SMS, telephone, fax, horse courier and telegraph before.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the medium, it&#8217;s the content.  To have publish-worthy content, you&#8217;ve got to have journalism skills.</p>
<p>Look at Indymedia/IMC for an earlier example of we-the-journalists at work.  It suffered badly from credibility issues.  Individual bloggers will have the same problems, unless they already have a reputation for their work.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Yen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it complacency that brought the newspaper industry down,
or is that really just a nicer, more politically correct way of saying
that the stupidity, idiocy, arrogance, and hubris of newspaper executives
is what brought the newspaper industry down?

How many times do you have to prove yourself to newspaper executives
before they start paying you to save their company from certain doom?

Hey newspaper executives, hire people like me and Pat Thornton to save your companies. Now. Seriously. What are you waiting for?

Death? Kamikaze suicide runs can&#039;t last forever you know..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it complacency that brought the newspaper industry down,<br />
or is that really just a nicer, more politically correct way of saying<br />
that the stupidity, idiocy, arrogance, and hubris of newspaper executives<br />
is what brought the newspaper industry down?</p>
<p>How many times do you have to prove yourself to newspaper executives<br />
before they start paying you to save their company from certain doom?</p>
<p>Hey newspaper executives, hire people like me and Pat Thornton to save your companies. Now. Seriously. What are you waiting for?</p>
<p>Death? Kamikaze suicide runs can&#8217;t last forever you know..</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing to remember is that Apple has also kept a maniacal focus on selling product. They use the web to enhance the value of the iPhone. Meanwhile the purpose of iTunes was to increase the value of the iPod. The web is not a revenue source, it is a revenue enhancer for the physical product.

In general, I think you&#039;ve got it right. But i think you have a blind spot to the idea that the natural advantage of newspapers is print and deliver. On the web they compete with Google. In print they have the field pretty much to themselves.

New products? Most definitely. But the money is to be made from new Print products. Use the web to aggregate the fans and to make it easy for them to buy stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing to remember is that Apple has also kept a maniacal focus on selling product. They use the web to enhance the value of the iPhone. Meanwhile the purpose of iTunes was to increase the value of the iPod. The web is not a revenue source, it is a revenue enhancer for the physical product.</p>
<p>In general, I think you&#8217;ve got it right. But i think you have a blind spot to the idea that the natural advantage of newspapers is print and deliver. On the web they compete with Google. In print they have the field pretty much to themselves.</p>
<p>New products? Most definitely. But the money is to be made from new Print products. Use the web to aggregate the fans and to make it easy for them to buy stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most everything here. The thing that always frustrates me in talks about new business models for news organizations is that all the talk is purely about articles it seems. If we haven&#039;t grasped that the Internet is much more than just articles, we are in whole lot of trouble. It&#039;s another sign of old thinking in a new age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most everything here. The thing that always frustrates me in talks about new business models for news organizations is that all the talk is purely about articles it seems. If we haven&#8217;t grasped that the Internet is much more than just articles, we are in whole lot of trouble. It&#8217;s another sign of old thinking in a new age.</p>
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