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	<title>Comments on: Reason No. 387 why I hate TV news</title>
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		<title>By: Casey Cora</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2008/05/06/reason-no-387-why-i-hate-tv-news/comment-page-1/#comment-3375</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat..that&#039;s why your post about letting Web natives have a say makes so much damn sense. In fact, your timing is downright scary, because that exact thought hasn&#039;t left my head for weeks. 

I don&#039;t know too much about their operation, but we could all learn from the people running the show at vbs.tv. If you haven&#039;t seen that site, check it out. Buried under the whiny hipsterism in the presentation of their news stories is a sea change in good online storytelling. 

Their recent 12-part series called &quot;Toxic Garbage Island,&quot; about the harm done to the ocean by our culture&#039;s reliance on plastics, drew hundreds of comments. Most simply say &quot;thanks.&quot; That&#039;s as good as it gets in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat..that&#8217;s why your post about letting Web natives have a say makes so much damn sense. In fact, your timing is downright scary, because that exact thought hasn&#8217;t left my head for weeks. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know too much about their operation, but we could all learn from the people running the show at vbs.tv. If you haven&#8217;t seen that site, check it out. Buried under the whiny hipsterism in the presentation of their news stories is a sea change in good online storytelling. </p>
<p>Their recent 12-part series called &#8220;Toxic Garbage Island,&#8221; about the harm done to the ocean by our culture&#8217;s reliance on plastics, drew hundreds of comments. Most simply say &#8220;thanks.&#8221; That&#8217;s as good as it gets in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Casey,
We do have the chance to reinvent how things are done. And I hope we do.

Unfortunately, many young journalists are being taught how to be broadcast journalists -- online. Many old broadcast people are now finding jobs as professors or as consultants, teaching seminars.

It&#039;s scary, because what they consider good video, we don&#039;t. I hope enough young journalists resist this sad attempt by many broadcast journalists to try to stay relevant in a new medium. It&#039;s one thing to teach how to shoot video, edit, storyboard, etc. It&#039;s another thing to teach how to tart up the news.

@Patrick,
That&#039;s a fantastic idea. I have to remember to do that sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Casey,<br />
We do have the chance to reinvent how things are done. And I hope we do.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, many young journalists are being taught how to be broadcast journalists &#8212; online. Many old broadcast people are now finding jobs as professors or as consultants, teaching seminars.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s scary, because what they consider good video, we don&#8217;t. I hope enough young journalists resist this sad attempt by many broadcast journalists to try to stay relevant in a new medium. It&#8217;s one thing to teach how to shoot video, edit, storyboard, etc. It&#8217;s another thing to teach how to tart up the news.</p>
<p>@Patrick,<br />
That&#8217;s a fantastic idea. I have to remember to do that sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Beeson</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2008/05/06/reason-no-387-why-i-hate-tv-news/comment-page-1/#comment-3357</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Beeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should have shot video of the TV crew setting up the shot and posted it on YouTube. Now THAT&#039;S a story!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should have shot video of the TV crew setting up the shot and posted it on YouTube. Now THAT&#8217;S a story!</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Cora</title>
		<link>http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2008/05/06/reason-no-387-why-i-hate-tv-news/comment-page-1/#comment-3354</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 10:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If newspaper.com&#039;s get it together and start pumping out video that&#039;s worth a damn, then people will have no reason to turn to the TV newscast to have their intelligence insulted.

And I think that&#039;s where the so-called Social Generation steps in. Done right, we could show people that news doesn&#039;t have to be phony. We literally have the chance to reinvent how it&#039;s done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If newspaper.com&#8217;s get it together and start pumping out video that&#8217;s worth a damn, then people will have no reason to turn to the TV newscast to have their intelligence insulted.</p>
<p>And I think that&#8217;s where the so-called Social Generation steps in. Done right, we could show people that news doesn&#8217;t have to be phony. We literally have the chance to reinvent how it&#8217;s done.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey A. Haines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey A. Haines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During my internship with the Philadelphia Inquirer I shot a lot of web video for the paper, and I had frequent run-ins with local news crews where they would exhibit the behavior you described above.

I was quite disturbed while documenting a mass balloon release by students to celebrate a mural&#039;s completion, when a local news producer spent about 20 minutes getting his shot set and making the students and the mural&#039;s sponsors wait--action that greatly decreased the true excitement of the moment, and created something almost phony and manufactured.

My news-shooting philosophy is to capture whatever you can while you can--and if you didn&#039;t manage to quite get the perfectly framed shot, so be it. I completely agree with your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During my internship with the Philadelphia Inquirer I shot a lot of web video for the paper, and I had frequent run-ins with local news crews where they would exhibit the behavior you described above.</p>
<p>I was quite disturbed while documenting a mass balloon release by students to celebrate a mural&#8217;s completion, when a local news producer spent about 20 minutes getting his shot set and making the students and the mural&#8217;s sponsors wait&#8211;action that greatly decreased the true excitement of the moment, and created something almost phony and manufactured.</p>
<p>My news-shooting philosophy is to capture whatever you can while you can&#8211;and if you didn&#8217;t manage to quite get the perfectly framed shot, so be it. I completely agree with your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hackett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Hackett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And some Denver TV reporters are upset that the AP won&#039;t pick up their original reporting of stories. Trust (as in not faking video) goes a long way.

http://www.westword.com/2008-03-20/news/credit-is-due/full</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And some Denver TV reporters are upset that the AP won&#8217;t pick up their original reporting of stories. Trust (as in not faking video) goes a long way.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.westword.com/2008-03-20/news/credit-is-due/full" rel="nofollow">http://www.westword.com/2008-03-20/news/credit-is-due/full</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zac Echola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zac Echola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 23:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That happens a lot in larger markets. Not so much in smaller markets, where I&#039;ve worked (in broadcast news) and where I know other people.

With video, there&#039;s a certain element of control and manipulation, more so than you&#039;d find in typical beat reporting or photography. You have to control light and sound and you have to edit it a way that tells a story which may not be exactly as you saw it.

I&#039;ve seen national news (mostly TV news magazines) do stuff like this, too. I hate it and think it crosses a very clear ethical line when you aren&#039;t upfront about your directing shots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That happens a lot in larger markets. Not so much in smaller markets, where I&#8217;ve worked (in broadcast news) and where I know other people.</p>
<p>With video, there&#8217;s a certain element of control and manipulation, more so than you&#8217;d find in typical beat reporting or photography. You have to control light and sound and you have to edit it a way that tells a story which may not be exactly as you saw it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen national news (mostly TV news magazines) do stuff like this, too. I hate it and think it crosses a very clear ethical line when you aren&#8217;t upfront about your directing shots.</p>
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		<title>By: Azeem Ahmad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azeem Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could not have described any better the reasons why I chose Online Journalism over Television Journalism any day. Providing &#039;raw news&#039; as you put it, is much more rewarding than simply &#039;setting up&#039; news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could not have described any better the reasons why I chose Online Journalism over Television Journalism any day. Providing &#8216;raw news&#8217; as you put it, is much more rewarding than simply &#8216;setting up&#8217; news.</p>
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